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U.S. Supreme Court rebuffs bid to block Trump's gun 'bump stock' ban
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2019-04-02 17:35:12 UTC
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refuses-to-block-trumps-gun-bump-stock-ban-idUSKCN1R9230

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday handed President
Donald Trump a victory by rejecting for the second time in three days a
bid by gun rights activists to block his new ban on “bump stock”
attachments that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly.

The policy, embraced by Trump in the wake of an October 2017 massacre in
Las Vegas in which bump stocks were used, went into effect on Tuesday. The
ban is a rare recent instance of gun control at the federal level in a
country that has experienced a succession of mass shootings.

The court in a brief order refused to grant a temporary stay sought by the
group Gun Owners of America and others in a lawsuit filed in Michigan
challenging the ban while litigation continues. Chief Justice John Roberts
on Tuesday rejected a similar bid to block the policy in a separate legal
challenge brought in Washington by individual gun owners and gun rights
groups including the Firearms Policy Foundation and Florida Carry Inc.

Michael Hammond, Gun Owners of America’s legislative counsel, said many
owners of the estimated 500,000 bump stocks in the United States would
refuse to turn them in despite the ban and related criminal penalties.
People caught in possession of bump stocks could face up to 10 years in
prison under the policy.

“GOA will continue to fight the issue in the court system, as the case now
returns to the lower courts. We remain convinced that the courts will
consign this unlawful, unconstitutional ban to the trash bin of history,
where it belongs,” Hammond said in a statement, using the group’s acronym.

A Justice Department spokeswoman said the administration was pleased with
the high court’s action.

Bump stocks use a gun’s recoil to bump its trigger, enabling a
semiautomatic weapon to fire hundreds of rounds per minute, which can
transform it into a machine gun. The Justice Department’s regulation
followed the lead of many states and retailers that imposed stricter
limits on sales of guns and accessories after a deadly shooting at a
Florida high school in February 2018.

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING
Trump pledged to ban bump stocks soon after a gunman used them in a spree
that killed 58 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas. The
Justice Department on Dec. 18 announced plans to implement the policy on
March 26.

The FBI said in January it had found no clear motive for the 64-year-old
Las Vegas gunman, Stephen Paddock, in the deadliest mass shooting in
modern U.S. history.

In the Michigan case, a federal judge already has ruled in favor of the
administration. The Cincinnati, Ohio-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals refused to put the ban on hold pending appeal. Other plaintiffs in
that case include the Gun Owners Foundation, the Virginia Citizens Defense
League and three individual gun owners.

In the Washington case, a federal judge also upheld the ban, prompting the
gun rights advocates to appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia Circuit. That court has heard oral arguments but has
not yet ruled.

Those challenging the policy have argued that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) lacks the authority to equate bump
stocks with machine guns. One of the laws at the center of the legal
dispute was written more than 80 years ago, when Congress restricted
access to machine guns during the heyday of American gangsters’ use of
“tommy guns.”

Trump’s fellow Republicans typically oppose gun control measures and favor
of a broad interpretation of the right to bear arms promised in the U.S.
Constitution’s Second Amendment. In 2017, there were 39,773 gun deaths in
the United States, according to the most recent U.S. Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention figures released in December.
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Just Wondering
2019-04-02 19:58:38 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-guns/u-s-supreme-court-
refuses-to-block-trumps-gun-bump-stock-ban-idUSKCN1R9230
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday handed President
Donald Trump a victory by rejecting for the second time in three days a
bid by gun rights activists to block his new ban on “bump stock”
attachments that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly.
That's not accurate. The case has never gone to trial. SCOTUS
only declined to grant cert to review an interlocutory order denying
a preliminary injunction. The case will have to wend its way through
the court system, which hasn't happened yet.
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
Bump stocks use a gun’s recoil to bump its trigger,
Actually, what bump stocks do is let you shoulder the rifle while
you bump-fire the gun. You bump fire by using one hand to push the
gun forward into your trigger finger. This activates the trigger.
The recoil pushes the gun back resetting the trigger, and the
forward pressure from your other hand repeats the process. Banning
bump stocks is a "feel good" do-nothing, because you don't need a
bump stock to bump fire. Check out Youtube, there are lots of videos
of people bump firing without using bump stocks.
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
enabling a semiautomatic weapon to fire hundreds of rounds per minute,
You can fire hundreds of rounds per minute simply by pulling the
trigger: 5 pulls/second would empty a 20-round magazine in under
4 seconds. Allow 2 seconds for a magazine change, that's six
seconds per mag, 200 rounds in under a minute.
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
which can transform it into a machine gun.
No they don't. By definition a machine gun fires multiple rounds
with a single trigger pull. Bump firing is still one round per
trigger pull.
Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
Trump pledged to ban bump stocks soon after a gunman used them
in a spree that killed 58 people at a country music festival
in Las Vegas.
The LV gunman had 17 weapons, only one or two of them had
bump stocks. He might have used them, but we don't know
that he actually did. He could have done the crime without
them.

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